Turning Procrastination into Positivity w/ Eric Twiggs

I always say clarity is the starting point of success. Look for the patterns, look for the times where you feel you're most fulfilled Something I always say that you can't allow perfect to become the enemy of progress, and I think, if you can get your message across in a clear way, The journey to wealth is a long walk and some may walk quicker than others, but what good is sprinting to the finish line if you pass out when you cross it?

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Well, I am your procrastination prevention partner. I'm the author of The Discipline of Now and I'm the host of the 30-Minute Hour podcast. Now I help entrepreneurs to beat procrastination so they can make more money, get more done and feel more confident.

Amazing And this happens at a time machine. And let's go back into your Walk to Wealth. Tell us what was your journey like, what was your childhood like, what was the concept of money, what was the concept of wealth or entrepreneurship like when you were growing up back in the day.

So like my dad had a tremendous influence on me Just, and it wasn't so much a lot of the things that he said, he told me things, but it was really just looking at his example. I mean he was just up and out. He was never late to anything. He was. if he's in a group, he's the president of the group. He was never a few member at anything. And I think that that work ethic is what rubbed off on me and that sent me a message that you're supposed to work hard to get what you want. So that was really kind of my earliest thing. Like he was entrepreneurial. I mean, he worked in the government, but he also had real estate holdings and was always a landlord. So I saw that he was always doing different things in addition to just depending on the government income. So that was kind of that was my upbringing and background. We were in a middle class, your traditional middle class upbringing.

Amazing. So let me ask you then at what point did you kind of unlock your entrepreneurial bud? Was something that you just developed since childhood, or was it something that you stumbled on across the way? And how did you get into what you're doing now?

So everything started for me in college. It was my senior year at Hampton University and I talk about this in the book And I was having this conversation with my good friend Darnell and John. I had to admit that at the time, darnell and I, we were a little different. Right, he was all about his purpose and I was all about the party. He would always give you a hard time and say, man, you need to get serious, figure out what you want to do. And I'm like man Darnell, listen, now we've got plenty of time for all that talk. You come and do the frat party with me or not. And so several weeks go by, he and I don't talk. But then I get a phone call from his mother informing me of the fact that he was killed in a car accident, changed everything for me, sent me a message that maybe I don't have the time that I think to do the things that I need to do. And really, from that moment on, that's what's giving me a focus on becoming more productive and overcoming procrastination, having a laser focus on your goals. But that right there was the starting point And that's really the main reason that you and I are talking right now.

So let me ask you, man, what was that like at that time period? Like, as I said, you were in this moment where your mindset, where it's like you think you got all the time in the world, you're partying, you're living your life, you're enjoying your time, you're young, you're enjoying the youth, And it's life kind of just through a curve ball and they add you out of nowhere. What was that like? navigating that during that time period, Because there's not often that life really hits us with something like that early on in our years. So it's like, what was that like being, you know, probably in your early 20s, late teens probably, and just having to just readjust the whole.

hey you viewed the world? That's a great question. No one's ever asked me that. That's really good. So the thing that really got me with that is that Donnell he wasn't a reckless person, he was probably the cleanest living person that I knew at the time And he didn't drink, was very careful about what he ate, wasn't just out there And that was just a single car accident. And it really sent me a message that time is short and you just never know And up to that point I'm thinking that you know people that when things happen it's because the person they're sick, they're this, they're that. But you know time is short And I think we've seen that even with the pandemic in just over the past few years. So it sent me, it really allowed me to focus on what's important, and so that incident really spoke to me.

Yeah, no that's. I can only imagine how much that's like. how could I have that impact on you at that age? And so now you're at this point where you have to readjust everything And now it's like, okay, i'm getting serious now. What were some of the first steps you kind of took, as you said, as your paradigm just completely had the you kind of uproot the way of you and everything. After you kind of got out to the other side of that, what were some of the first steps you started taking to get become more productive, to become less Just, carefree in a world? What were some of the steps that, after the event happened that you started taking to get yourself in the right direction?

Well, i think, like I said earlier, i think I always had this work ethic, but I thought I lacked clarity and focus, and so what happened was I Took the message to be that I need to climb the success ladder, i need to succeed, i need to really Pursue this career, and so that's what I did. I got corporate America opportunities and I really went after it, and I got to a point where you could argue I had arrived right. I was a district manager in the automotive space. I had 17 locations, 500 employees were winning all of these awards. People are patting me on the back, and I remember this one day in particular. I'm driving in my BMW, feeling pretty good, but then I looked in the rear view mirror and then I just noticed my eyes, the eyes that were looking back at me with the eyes of someone who hated what he was doing. So it's like I was. I was making the income, but I really wasn't having an impact, and it really got me to think well, maybe there's more. Yeah, tell me more.

What's that so like? what did that make you feel internally?

It was just I wasn't fulfilled. That that's really what it was. It was like there was something missing, like there's gotta be more. Yeah, i'm making money and getting all this recognition, but but what else is there? It's I really started to think about what did I really want? and I never forget I went to like one of those headhunters, yeah, and I Was thinking of the hot. The hot job in those days was the pharmaceutical sales That's a lot of my friends they tell me about. They're on the golf course all the time and they're making all this money. I'm like I want to do that. And so the guy says to me he's like a head hunter. He says there, why in the world would someone hire you for pharmaceutical sales? It's not on your background, you, let's think about it. He said, eric, what is it that you really want to do? and I paused and I'm like, well, yeah, i want to make one month. I really didn't have a clear answer. You know, i thought it was all about being successful. And and then that really Caused me to do some soul searching and I started to think about When did I really feel like I was fulfilled? and when I, when I rewind the tape. It was always when I was presenting in front of a group. So I even like in some of my jobs in corporate America I was a corporate trainer and I remember I used to think I used to sit there like man You know, they actually pay people to do this. All the time I would be thinking, wow, wouldn't that be cool. Yeah, and whenever I was speaking in front of church audiences I would have that same feeling. So finally, after a Few years of procrastination, i actually went and joined Toastmasters International, and that's when I really started. And then just one step Just led to another and here we are and that's amazing.

So let me actually write, because this is a great segue to our main conversation today about Your blueprint, and you mentioned one of the first steps is getting that clarity. How does one begin to start getting that clarity? What did the soul searching process look like? because a lot of times people tell us, oh, we need to have clarity, you need to visualize where we want to end up. But it's like, with all these different opportunities, all the different paths We can walk on with all these different people in our ear telling us what we should and what we shouldn't do, and all these different Influences, it's kind of hard to black out all the noise, to get time to actually even listen to what it is That you truly got to do, so what that soul searching process looks like for you well.

So for me I always say clarity is a starting point of success, and so for me, i just had to look, look at, look for the patterns, look for The times where you feel you're most fulfilled. Yeah, you look, look at what is what's something that you do, that it's effortless for you, like you could just do it all the time. But other people, when other people look at you, it's like man, how are you doing all of that? Like I'm sure people John with you and podcasting. Like man, you're doing all these episodes. How are you coming up with content? How are you so consistent? And it's just, it's just what you do. So I think you, you have to look for those, those patterns in your life. I mean, look that and look at something also That you've overcome. But what's a struggle that you've overcome that you? and then when you're talking to other people about that struggle, you just feel like you feel great. Because when you, when you're advising someone on that struggle that you, that you've overcome, and that the thing is, it's not some people. I know people who kind of instantly know exactly what it is they want to do. They just, they just get it and they just focus in that area before other people. It takes time and So sometimes it's it's a process. You have an idea And you have to. Doesn't mean you have to quit your job and just go all in, but you know you can start you like for me. I started in Toastmasters So I was still I'm still working and all that. I just started going to Toastmasters meetings and I started speaking and then I met someone who trained professional speakers and then someone else advised me to join the National Speakers Association. So the steps just manifested themselves. So hopefully I've answered your question.

Yeah, definitely. I'm kind of curious too because, as we're having this conversation, i'm also right now in a public speaker school and I'm investing in Growing as a speaker. I'm also right now by the time this episode drops. Right now, i paid for an accelerator program a couple of weeks ago, actually to join a, to land my first head talk. So that's something that I'm really working on right now And it was quite it was quite a hefty fee, honestly, and it was something that made me feel a little bit uncomfortable, but, as you know, growth is usually on the other side of discomfort. So it's like for me, i'm currently in this space where I'm trying to I'm sorry I'm removing the word I'm trying to I'm working on. So I'm working on Progressing as a speaker and getting into pay public speaking. So let me ask you for one for Toastmasters for anyone who doesn't know what that is, explains to the listeners What is a Toastmasters and then to, from now, me asking you, out of my own genuine curiosity What was that like being in a Toastmasters group?

So Toastmasters International, they, it's a speaking organization. It's, you know, every six months it may be like $50 or so, but you basically get to work on. It's a safe environment for you to learn how to improve your speaking skills and they teach you the foundational things So you can have roles at the meeting where it involves you speaking, you could actually be a presenter. And the funny thing, the cool thing with Toastmasters is they have someone they call the ah counter And so this person sits there and counts how many times you use filler words And they, you know, um, uh, you know so, and they count. And it's a way that you overcome that habit when you're presenting. And then you have someone who evaluates your presentations and then there's a formal way to evaluate If you're getting constant feedback in a safe environment. So, for example, if you, let's say, on your job and you're presenting something, there could be consequences if the presentation doesn't go well right, whereas at Toastmasters it's a safe environment where you can learn to become a better. It's so foundational And I mean, whenever I'm speaking, there's always something, some technique that I use that I picked up from Toastmasters.

Yeah, it's one of those things where, like, communication is something that is so underappreciated And it's I was looking into this now, as I said, because I'm growing as a speaker now And it's like this tool that we have, our voice is something that, although we use it every day, no one actually intentionally practice. Everyone says practice makes perfect, but everyone talks every day and not everyone is good at communicating. So a little bit of a quick tangent How has communication helped you propel further along in your journey?

Oh, i think it's a separator. I mean, i think if you can get your message across in a clear way and it's memorable, it separates you. I mean, for example, i have a book and if I'm out talking and someone is in the audience and they like what I'm saying, they're likely to buy the book, they're likely to invite me to speak somewhere, they're likely to have me coach them. It's a different level of influence when you're standing in front of the room talking to people about your topic and you're able to use the right devices and techniques And I mean there's so many people sit through. I've sat through conferences and speakers and it's boring. It's an hour of your life you'll never get back. So it really grabs your attention when someone is effective and they're able to tell a story, like I've had people that I've seen five years later that sat in one of my audiences that can tell me one of the stories I told. So, yeah, it can be a game changer if you really lean in on how to do it correctly.

Yeah, it's one of those things where I experienced that for the first time. Well, i did it virtually, but it's nothing like in person. So in person I experienced that for the first time because I've spoken to big groups of people online, but it wasn't till PodFest Expo this past January where I actually spoke in person for the first time. First time conference ever. I could not like it was the most nerve wracking experience. As I said, I'm very social, i'm very extroverted, but man, it's nothing like speaking on a stage for the first time And it was like slightly elevated, like. It was like I was probably about like three or four feet higher than everyone else and everyone was seated. The room was packed to the point where people were standing around because the chairs were all filled up. I think we're as close to like maybe 200 people in that room And I kid you not, when I grabbed the microphone I looked into the crowd and I just blanked And honestly, i don't know what I said. I mean, i do know what I said because it was my story. I was just telling people and I was talking about this content called Iki Guy, which I've been talking about a lot, but like for me just presenting that. Fortunately, as I said, i knew what I was talking about because I talked about it for so many times prior to that through podcast guesting. But I never presented that in front of people And it was only five minutes, so it's not like I had to remember too too much. But by the end of it, once I gave the microphone back, it was like a couple minutes after when I finally got my senses back and I was like, oh shoot, i just did that And I don't remember anything Like at all. But afterwards I'll make the story a little shorter There was people that came up to the hallway and was like you did great, you did an amazing, you did a good job. And I was like I did. I don't remember, i wish I did. I blake, it was one of those dangerous like that was my first time And so. But, as you said, it's nothing like being a communicator that can communicate effectively, because a lot of times, if you know the right people, you can get yourself on the stage. That's something that a lot of people don't know. It's not as hard as people make it seem to get on the stage. But then when all these people are going on stages back to back to back, because mine was a Petra Kutcher speech. It was only five minutes long and it was all rapid fire right after another. So for me I would not take my own horn. I think I did a little bit better than a lot of the people, and so it was like people noticed that and it separated me, as you said. So I agree with you 100% And to kind of like segue back into the conversation you mentioned too, it's just you didn't really know what you were getting into. You got yourself into the Toastmaster But as you were moving forward, the half that you needed to head down started to clear up, and a lot of people don't take that first step because they can't see down the path, they can't see the end of the tunnel, they can't see the light. But in the end, despite that, we're meant to move forward anyway. So take us through your story. What was it like navigating this world? Wow, you knew we had to do something better. You got into the Toastmaster group, but you didn't really know how it was all going to play out.

Well, again, it's something I always say that you can't allow perfect to become the enemy of progress And you can't think, well, i need to have it all figured out. So at first I was procrastinating Because I'm thinking. At some point I came to this realization again that I wanted to be a speaker. But then I started thinking, ok, well, what am I going to say that hasn't been said? Who's going to aim me to come talk to a group? I started having all these negative thoughts And then finally, after like three years, i joined Toastmasters And then the next steps just started to reveal themselves. Like, again, i found somebody who coaches professional speakers And like the other thing that happened when I was in Toastmasters, someone convinced me to join to participate in these speech contests. It wasn't even on my radar, i wasn't thinking about it, but the first contest I was in I went pretty far And I'm winning all these trophies for first place, and it was almost like it was confirmation that this is the path that I'm supposed to be on. And something else that really helped me is that I came across while I was doing the contest. I came across one of my mentors. He's one of my mentors to this day. His name is Ed Tate And he is like a world-renowned speaker. He's won the International Toastmasters Speech Contest, been like the world champion of speaking, and I had him coach me And that was tremendous And really pointing out my blind spots. I would videotape my presentation and send it to him And he'd tell me the terrible job I did. But no, it was tremendous. But that's why I say to people don't allow perfect becoming an enemy of progress. What's the next step that you can take? And the other steps will reveal themselves.

Yeah, definitely, and so let me ask you how does one get over the fear associated with taking that first step, because that's usually the thing that's holding them back Sometime. Yeah, of course, they don't really know how it's going to play out and what's the next step, but it's really usually something that's underneath, that that's hidden, and usually it could be fear, it could be anxiety, it could be worried. How does one overcome some of these things that are usually underlying, that actually prevent us from taking that first step or that next step?

Well. So the key is to focus on small steps Because, like, a step could be picking up the phone. A step could be, let's say, if you feel led to start a podcast. A step could be giving John a call and saying, hey, you've got a successful podcast, what advice do you have for me? And then that could lead to other steps along the road. So I can't see how someone would be afraid to call you. Now. They fear the whole other thing, because that is one of the things that causes people to procrastinate. So you have the fear of success, which is very popular a lot of times. So where that comes in with speaking is you may think, ok, well, maybe I only have one good presentation. What if I do well? and now they want me to speak everywhere? What if I don't measure up? What if I bomb? What if I get criticized? What if I get judged? And so all of those things start to come to mind. But it's really a couple of things on. Fear is that you notice a lot of times the two words are what if? What if this happens? What if your fear is in the future? So I think to overcome that fear, you have to change those two words from what if to even if. So, even if I bomb this presentation, i'm going to continue because I feel like and by the way I've bombed, i have gotten up and I've been in front of a room full of like 200 people and literally forgot what I was going to say I'm still alive, i'm still here. Nobody died, so it happens. And so you have to change that from what if to even if and recognize that your fears are in the future And at most of the time, things work out a lot better than you. If you're anticipating that worst case scenario, things do work out much better, yeah.

And that's some solid advice, even if I haven't heard that one before yet. So, instead of saying what if I fail? Even if I fail, because, as you said, most of us it's not life or death And I say this all the time and most of these situations that's like no one's getting hurt, no one's using their life, hopefully, unless something super tragic out of the blue happens. But then you're definitely, if you're thinking about situations like that, you're definitely too far into the weeds and worst case scenarios And so you're just getting in your own way there. And I love that you mentioned the fear of success, because a lot of times we'd have this thing within us where it's like we don't want to succeed because we know if we succeed that, as you said, the more opportunities will come and more opportunities come. Then it's like, well, i never had opportunities before and people like me don't normally get opportunities, so should I even have these opportunities? and things like that It's. I love that you mentioned that, because it's something that a lot of people definitely battle with and a lot of people struggle at getting over, and I know I always wanted to talk about. I want to talk about, too, a little bit When you do get out these, take these small steps and you start tracking a lot of these things. I know you talk about the small wins, like how do we start giving ourselves grace, how do we start giving ourselves gratitude so that we can be grateful for the journey that we're on, that we can appreciate the journey we're on and not just be in a constant state of fear because we have anxiety or we don't know what the next step is or we don't have a super clear vision as everything. How do we become more grateful and appreciative and present while we're on this?

journey. So the challenge is that we have this natural bend for negativity. That's just how things go, where we're constantly scanning our environment for threats. If you're in business, you're thinking about what are my opportunities, what do I need to fix, where are the problems? And the challenge with that is it's easy to become a pessimist. The studies show that 80% of the typical person's self-talk is negative. If you just sit back and listen to those thoughts, oh my God, i can't believe she cut me off in traffic. I can't, i have to sit through this meeting. So you have to be intentional about cultivating positivity. You literally need a daily strategy to be positive. It just doesn't. You can be positive one day If you don't have systems in place. You'll go to a negative spiral the next. So one of the things I help people with is to really track their wins And so that people like Coach first question, i'll ask them. They know that I'm going to ask them. So tell me about your wins. And I've had people. When I first asked them that question, they had nothing to say. I didn't have any wins. Now it was all week. We simply talked. Nothing good happened Nope, i don't know. But now, as we've been talking for a while. Literally, they'll go on for the first 15 minutes about all the great things that have happened to them. So I think what happens is you start to build momentum and the more you focus on your wins, the more wins you have to focus on, and these wins have always been there You just now focused on. But it is so important to really focus on those small wins and keep a track of them. Keep track of them.

It goes back to the reticular activating system. Right, what you focus on expands, and there's so many different ways to say the same exact thing. That's the way I was taught, and with the reticular activating system, it's something where, when you look at the lock in on something, your brain is meant to find everything to justify that one thing. So it's like, if you tell yourself that's why everyone talks about affirmations and all that stuff, because it's like if you tell your brain one thing, it's going to do everything in its power to find all the supporting evidence to make justify whatever that statement was. And so if you start tracking wings, as you said, then it's like well, now I have to start looking for all the wins, and it puts the tracker that your brain is using onto something that's actually positive and working out in your favor. And let me ask you this though I want to hear your definition of what a win is, because a lot of times people don't give themselves credit words to. So how would you define a win?

A win is anything that promotes your personal or professional health and well-being. So any step forward in that direction. I mean it doesn't have to be huge, I mean it could be. You have a business, you got a five star review, I launched my podcast and I did one episode. So anything that I said I was going to stop eating donuts, and I haven't eaten the donuts for a week. I mean that's a win. I said I was going to start using my food diary and writing down what I've been keeping that up for, so you really have to track that progress And then.

So let me ask you then So why have you seen? and the people that do track their wins, why are some of the changes in their personality? maybe in their business and maybe in their personal life? whatever it may be, what are some of the changes some of the people can look forward to and expect once they start tracking the stuff, once they start adopting that mindset of gratitude and start being more present and appreciative of themselves and the things that they accomplish?

Well, again, i think it can be a complete game changer. And so, because again, everybody's been towards the negative negativity and I work with entrepreneurs who they start focusing on their wins. So then when they meet with their team, they ask the team in the meetings that one on ones, right? So let's say, if your boss says, hey, we're going to have a one on one, you're thinking negative, like, oh, here we go, what would I do wrong? Well, i have people who own companies that I coach that they're focused on the wins, and so now their people are focused on the wins And if they say, hey, we're going to have a one on one meeting, the people are looking forward to it. So it's changing the culture of companies, because now people are looking forward to meeting with them and they've changed the name. They don't even call it a one on one. I have people that they're calling it a you and I meeting or a one with one, just to maintain that positivity and sales profits things have improved, and that's amazing.

Let me ask you what changes have you seen in your own personal life once you adopted this attitude of gratitude and this mindset of appreciating all the wins in your life? And what was it like in your own personal life making that switch, making that adjustment? How's it like doing that and switching that flip in your brain to not breathe, so proclined to the negative, and to be proclined to the positive instead?

Yeah, i wasn't always a naturally positive person I would complain, and I was a typical type A personality and I'm always looking for how high is up, and though it's changed my approach tremendously And I think it's helped with the results, because eventually you get what you expect. So I think my outlook is completely changed And I think people that meet me now think that I'm just one of these naturally positive people, but what they don't know is I work at it, like I literally write down my wins. Everything I teach people to do, i do myself, and so, from a and from a gratitude standpoint, in the morning I try to focus on things that I have to be grateful for, that don't cost money, and I'm just constantly keeping that in mind every day. And then I'm always focused also on how far I've come in a particular area And what's the progress that I've made. I think we don't stop a smell of roses, especially if you're that type A type of person. So it's had a profound impact on me.

Yeah, it's running at a stage you mentioned to stopping and spending the roses, something that I had to learn to do, because you get so caught up sometimes in this go, go, go, go go, and I got to accomplish everything and then some, and build the leaning tower of Pisa, and build Roman a day, and build a great wall of China, all at the same time, and it's like you get so caught up some time in these activities and these endeavors that we never take time to smell the roses, as you said. So let me ask you for anyone that's right now that is struggling to get some clarity, is struggling to start taking these steps and is procrastinating Where are some of the tips that you could? they could just put in a tool belt real quick to start getting them in action. Thank you, thanks for listening. Spot that good news not have them be victim to analysis, paralysis or fear and security or well, i think you do it you.

First off, you have to be very careful how you talk to yourself. You know I like I know for me I was my own harshest critic. So I think you you have to talk to yourself with grace and forgive yourself when you Don't stay on the path You said you were going to get on. You know, when you said that you were going to Call John about podcasting and you didn't, you can't just beat yourself up. Yeah, they say, okay, i'm gonna call them tomorrow. So I think that is a key thing there. Like you're at your mental self-talk, you really have to make sure that you forgive yourself. And just a basic thing that people can do to overcome procrastinating is get in the habit of Making appointments with yourself. So instead of saying that, oh, i'm going to write a blog post this week, say I'm going to write the blog post on Wednesday from 1 o'clock to 1 30 in my home office and you get your Google calendar and Make that an official appointment. So you have to include the day, the time and the place when you make that appointment with yourself. The studies show that when you include the place, you're 40% more likely to follow through and You have to treat that, as that appointment, as serious, as if you were meeting with the president of the United States. You wouldn't just if you had a meeting with the president, no matter what your political affiliation. If you had a meeting with the president on Wednesday, you wouldn't just not show up. You have to treat yourself with that same level of respect. But if people do that, you know, i mean they'll find that they're not procrastinating as much, you know that's some solid advice and you've been dropping solid gems his entire conversation.

Where could we connect with you at? what could we find you at if we wanted to take that next step and break free from the Procrastination handcuffs that hold a lot of us back?

Well, you can pick up a copy of my book the discipline of now 12 practical principles to overcome procrastination. I may even have a copy of it right here.

It's white and red with a clock on it. For anyone else, listen to the audio.

Yep there you go, if the discipline of now. You can go to my website, eric, at Eric Eric m twigscom. Eric M twigs, twi ggs Scom. Pick up a copy. You can also check out the 30-minute hour podcast. It's on the Apple podcast by the fire and all those great places to be on there soon.

So if you guys haven't checked it out already, make sure to go check that out, cuz you gotta come support your boy Man, i'm gonna go and drop some nuggets over there. And now it's time for the final five questions. Same question to be asked every single guest Rapid fire around. Let's get right into it. Question number one What is the most impactful lesson you've learned tonight?

Well, this came from my mom, birds of a feather flock together. Tell me, i used to hate when she said that to me all the time, but I've just found that to be more and more true. What is the most admirable trait a person can have? integrity, i think. When you follow through on your intentions and You're consistent to that degree, i think that integrity is critical if you had to change someone's life with one book, which book would you recommend? well, aside from my book, i would recommend the Bible. Yeah, i. For me, that's a life-changing book. What is the legacy that you're trying to leave behind that? I inspired people to move in the direction of their goals and I left that.

Well, and the final piece of that I left people better than I found them and for anyone trying to embark on their walk to wealth today, what is the first step they could take to start that journey to start.

That That's it, so move. You have to move in the, in the direction that you feel it and called it. It could be a small step. You have to move.

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