Exploring the Link Between Diet, Genetics, Health, & Wealth w/ Sage Workinger

Those people. It breaks my heart when I see really severe breaks because they're just suffering and nobody understands why. And then people tell them to just calm down and just breathe through it and just meditate and do yoga and say your prayers at night. And I'm like, okay, those are great ways to like put a band-aid on it and I don't discount any of that. But we got to fix what's the root problem. Whatever you put in your mouth, notice and pay attention to how it affects your mind and gut. We all think about how we get a stomach ache from our food that we eat, but nobody is thinking about how it affects your mental state if you're eating the wrong food.

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Okay, great, hi, thank you for having me. I'm really honored to be on this podcast. My name is Sage Workinger. I am one of the founders and owners of 10x Health System and basically what we do is help make people super humans, take them from being sick and tired and maybe they have anxiety, gut issues, slew of all the problems that the majority of the world faces and try to help them correct those with simple solutions, with diet and vitamins and very natural solutions, instead of just throwing prescriptions and medications at them.

And I'm super excited to get into the conversation. And before we kind of get into the health side of things, I always have to ask this question Take us back in a time machine to what little Sage was like growing up, like where did this all start?

Well, let's see, I grew up in actually originally from Steamboat Springs, colorado, and then I've heard about 10 years my mom was sick of digging out of the snow so we moved down to Naples, florida, and I grew up most of my life in Naples and then went to Florida State University, got a degree in business and communications and, funny enough, ended up going back out to Colorado and was there another 10 years and then I came back here to raise my daughter, because I have a lot of family in Naples, and that's where Gary and I met. I had gone through a divorce from my daughter's father and ended up meeting him a few years later. He had also gone through a divorce and had three awesome kids, and so we merged families, have the awesome modern family, and we were together for about two years. I was doing real estate, high-end rentals Naples is very much a destination place so I was doing high-end rentals and working a little bit in the construction arena and I met Gary. He was looking to, he owned a little restaurant by the beach and he was looking to renovate these condos above it. So that was sort of why we met and then one kiss led to eight years and getting engaged, so but yeah, gary was in the life insurance business, so we were not doing anything that was self-related. And one day he came to me and he was like I really want to get out of this business and I want to start a wellness clinic. I want to do hormone therapy, so that was kind of where we started. So we opened up a little clinic in Naples, florida, and then the rest was history. It's been about seven years since we did that.

So let me ask you because so my grandparents they raised me and they grew up in a little like like right outside the outskirts of Dominican Republic and so like. For them they were all like natural and remedies and home-taught stuff and they had a T to fix everything right. There was some concoction that they would cook up and everything would magically be gone. After being in the States for so long, I feel like my grandparents, specifically my grandma, has become so Americanized. That's like, as you said, like I think you're at this the talk I don't know if it was you or Gary, but mention, I think like the average adult over like 60 something, has almost like I don't know how many prescriptions, but I know it was a lot of prescriptions at the same time and I was like, and I just thought you know back to my grandparents, it's like how much like prescription? My grandfather's on, cause he's a type two diabetic and he has a couple of in high cholesterol and a couple of other things, I think. And then my grandma and my mom as well, all just prescription, prescription, prescriptions. And it's like we grew up, as I said, well, at least they grew up on the outskirts of DR where everything was just like home remedies to solve everything. And so now it's like it's just like prescription, prescription and they think that solves everything. Like, if God forbid, I cough like the first thing my grandma throws at me. I don't, I always refuse, but she just throws some, like some robotussin or something, and it's like, no, just give me some tea with lemon and honey, like that's it. I refuse to drink medicine if I don't have to, unless I'm dying. Don't give me any medicine, I'll take the tea and figure it out. So for you guys, once you got into, like starting up the wellness clinic, you said hormonal therapy, like what did that kind of look like at first starting off? And for you, I guess, cause it's kind of you mentioned, kind of Gary's idea, what were your like, your thoughts on it?

You know, he always. He always comes up with it Like he gets excited about something and he's like we're going to figure it out. So we may not know exactly what we're doing, but we're going to figure it out. And so we originally started in an urgent care center because there was doctor and PAs and nurses and staff that knew what they were doing, but they didn't do hormone therapy. So we thought, all right, it's a win-win you provide the, you know the care and the patient care. We will bring in people and start to promote this hormone therapy concept and then also IV therapy, which they weren't doing, and and we can work this together. But the really tough part that we noticed very quickly was Centers like that have to stay in a box because they're billing insurance and when you bill insurance, there's just a lot of rules to it and there's only certain amount of things you can do and there's only certain amount of things that they will cover. And so we took it took us about six minutes or six minutes, six months, basically letting people walk in, get a testosterone shot, get an IV, get a b12 shot and then walk out the door thinking we were gonna build their insurance company and get reimbursed and we tried Every ICD-9, icd-10 code there was. We tried all this, you know, trying to, you know, explain away why this was necessary, using their labs and all these things, and we didn't get paid back in time. So for six months we just gave away. And Then we realized also that, being in an urgent care center where people are coming in with severe injuries and sicknesses like someone came in with the measles, regular flu, and then I've you know, and then we had a hurricane here actually, and there was a chainsaw injury and someone came in, was sitting our lobby, bleeding all over the place, next to a guy that just wanted to be 12-shot, and I'm like, okay, this doesn't make sense anymore. So we built out our own little space and, thank God, and we, we put it in, you know, a nice plaza and they had some of the highest traffic and we just Did it like old grassroots word-of-mouth, you know, bringing people in. We we've sucked at social media. We were terrible. We didn't, we couldn't afford advertising or marketing of any kind and it literally was just we built the business by. We help you, you feel better, you tell a friend, and that's literally how the business grew. So it was. There's a lot of learning lessons To starting a business. We knew nothing.

So so that's what I wanted to ask you next. So you said you went to college for for business, right, and then you get into a wellness practice. So, like, how much YouTube, university or research articles they're what. How did you get so much knowledge? Because when I heard you speak, it's like it would have sounded like you. We've been in this, you know, in this space, researching the science, your whole life. So, like, how do you get such a deep understanding of all this like health stuff and all this like genes and all this I don't know Genetic makeup and all that stuff? Like, how do you start getting?

into it. So Gary is, he's the brilliant one. I mean he is. If you've ever read rocket fuel, it's a great book about a visionary and integrator. He is definitely the visionary in our business and relationship and I'm the integrator. He comes up with 30 ideas. I tell him what we can actually get done and then we put it. I put it in place. So we were a good team. That way. We're definitely the yin and yang of each other. He has a photographic memory and he has just this like crazy love and like obsession with science. He's a human biologist by trade. He he should have been a doctor, but he has ADHD, so he didn't finish his classes and he went on to the next thing. Don't talk to his mother about it, but he's absolutely brilliant. Like he literally can read an article, digest it something super complicated, topic digested and then you know, spit it back out and really put it to you. So he was he. You know he nailed it with hormones and labs. And you know we worked with one of our a couple of physicians in determining the right type of protocols to put people on and it was different than we found. We started to find we were doing it differently than other people and and people were feeling great and they were losing weight and they were, you know, had more energy and they were sleeping better at night. But I Think that because I didn't really need any hormone therapy and I also it took me two years of owning the business before I let me put Anybody put a needle in me. So anytime we have somebody that comes to us and they're like I'm scared, I can't, you know, give myself an injection or do an IV, I'm too scared to give blood. I always share that story and make them feel better. It's really not that bad, but I did have a fear of needles. So I think that in the beginning I just was like, alright, I'm running the business and paying the bills and making sure payroll is good, I'm keeping us afloat, that's my job. I don't need to know about, nor did I really Understand or care about any of the blood stuff. I still, I know a lot, but I don't. I couldn't spit it back at you, but the genetic piece that came in about five years into the business and it was. It became a personal thing for me because I Suffered from severe. There was a period of time where I suffered from severe anxiety, depression and I had my first panic attack and we couldn't figure out why. It was like a four-month period where I just spiraled downwards and it scared me enough to do the research and to really figure out what had what was wrong with me. And Gary was brilliant in running, figuring out what labs to run and then getting my results from multiple you know different tests, like we did. We ran four or five different tests on me and that's where all the light bulbs went off for him to understand what was going on. And we solved it by Cutting out certain things in my diet that I was eating a very specific Multivitamin with cheap raw materials, cheap ingredients in it that I can't process. I'm basically allergic to them and my allergy isn't something that's like in a rash on my skin, like or you know it was. Most people think allergy and they think a rash on your skin or breaking out or something. It was mental, it was very mental. It was definitely gut related to, but very mental for me, and that's when I really dug in deep to learn what had happened to me. How can I solve it? And then, now that I've solved it, how can I help other people that are dealing with the same thing on a regular basis. So that's so. Yes, when I talk about the genetics, I know a lot about it. There's so much I don't understand, but I know just enough to help people, sort of at my level. If I tried to get into, you know, conversation with the geneticist, I couldn't keep up, but but I'll admit the first, yeah, you know. So I want to. Actually, I, I think.

A great place to start really, now that we're kind of segueing into the topic, is kind of just go over some, some misconceptions, because a lot of my audience sense to be part of like the younger crowd, the younger generation, and you know, kind of at this age you know we think we can eat any and everything and it will be good or metabolism is straight. So it's like, you know, just because we can burn it off doesn't mean it's not negatively affecting us. So I want to start off with some like misconceptions and then kind of like break more into, like ease into the a little bit more High-level, complicated stuff. I guess you could say so in terms of misconception. I know America, you know, is one like the most unhealthiest, if not the unhealthiest country on the planet In terms of like obesity rates and things like that. So I wanted to ask like what's up with, like what our food? Because even people that you know we see like these things like non-gym or All these different labels in the grocery store when it comes to food and it's hard now to like figure out like what's healthy food and what's isn't, because like there's so many labels that mean so many different things and none of us Really understand and none of us really walk around with like a key or an identifier that you know. This means that when we're grocery shopping so like what's going on with our food, I like a big, like macro level.

It sucks, to be perfectly honest, you know it says it sounds dramatic to say this, but they're trying to kill us with the food I. There's so much junk. There's so much junk, especially in American food, that you that's banned and, like so many other countries, they wouldn't even dare. There's everything, I feel like, is genetically modified, which is why now you have to not only look for organic Labels, but you got to look for non-gmo labels, because everything is so genetically modified they're even talking about I just watched something the other day about how they're trying to, you know, make meat like genetically modified meat. I don't know, because we're gonna run out of cows or something. There's so much junk out there. So one of the main things that has to do with methylation and the genetic piece. And methylation is the process by which we take in a raw material, either through diet or supplementation, and Convert it into a usable form. So it's like you can't take crude oil out of the ground and put it right in your gas tank. You have to refine it into gasoline and then you can put it into the car and then the engine will recognize that fuel source. It's the same thing with methylation. So if we eat something our body has to be able to convert it into its usable form to. And if you are taking in the wrong Food source or supplementation which is what happened to me before my breakdown If your body can't convert it, then it builds up as something called homeocystine and you can measure that in the blood and if you have high levels of homeocystine it can bring on, depending on what your genetic breaks are. It can bring on anxiety, depression, panic attacks, gut issues, add, adhd, ocd, poor sleep, brain fog, thyroid problems, high blood pressure issues, bad temper. Nasty temper is like a huge methylation issue and it's super wild. All I can tell you is that when you get the diet right and you get the supplementation right, based on your specific genetics, all of that can calm down. And If you look at our food, one of the main things is we talk a lot about how our grain source is Is sprayed with something called folic acid and people think folic acid you're supposed to take that when you're pregnant, you're nursing, because it prevents neural tube defects and babies in the womb. The problem is that people like me who have a certain gene break called mth fr, which we lovingly call the motherfucker gene you have a mutation. Sorry, you can blurt that out if you need to. But if you have a mutation. It means that you're deficient in five methylfolate, but not and you cannot take Folic acid. So I can't convert folic acid, which is a synthetic, cheap form of vitamin B9 that's all it is, but I can't convert that and into five methylfolate, so instead I just take five methylfolate. But that also means that in my food I can't eat crackers, bread, pasta, rice Basically think, any of your carbs. I can't eat anything that has been sprayed with folic acid, which on the label will say enriched or fortified. So think of like Cheerios. When I was a kid, I ate Cheerios all the time and it was fine. I grew up in the 80s, though, so we were adding all this stuff, this junk, to our food source, so I ate it and I was fine. Now, if I gave that well, unfortunately I did give it to my kid when she was young, and she'd have the most epic temper tantrums like major, major meltdowns. And now I realize it's because she has the same genetic break. She can't process that. So I give her a handful of Cheerios and goldfish as a snack at the zoo and then wonder why she was losing her mind and have to put her in timeout. And you know, put her in. I used to literally have a soft corner of pillows and soft blankets and soft books, because she'd get violent and angry and start throwing stuff and now I feel terrible because I realize she couldn't process any of that. But if I was giving her something organic that hadn't been sprayed with folic acid or had vitamins that she couldn't process added to it, she would have been fine. So that's what I try to teach, especially with kids and parents, because I'm mom first over anything. How can I teach kids to eat better? And okay, here's another example. I have a friend whose son went off first year of college. So here's, you know thinking, your age and your, you know generation. So he's gone off to college, he's at home, he's successful in school, he's successful in sports, he's playing football. He goes off to college for his first semester and before Thanksgiving I think we met in like mid-November. Before Thanksgiving they had to bring him home because he was having suicidal thoughts and it was scaring him and they thought, well, maybe he's just homesick, maybe, you know, he just can't adjust to college life yet. So they brought him home and I asked his mom. I said, let me guess he's eating pizza, mac and cheese and ramen noodles. She was like how did you know? I was like, because that's a direct correlation of eating something he can't process Probably. I was like I'll pay for his test if he doesn't have these specific genetic markers, mthfr being one of them. And I was like and if he stops eating that and he starts taking the right supplements and he starts eating the right type of diet, which is really just go organic on your carbs. Organic or imported usually is okay, I promise you this, we can turn this around. And so he ended up staying home that next semester because they just were nervous. But within a week to weeks of him starting the protocol and then starting to learn what he could and couldn't eat, he's fine. He's back at school. So I love stories like that because they really hit home, especially when you know the person. But that's what happened to me and when I talked to him and I shared my story of having also suicidal thoughts, which was a really scary moment to be in, and it makes me sad that people could have this regularly and then follow through with it when in reality listen, people have lots and lots and lots of issues that could lead to that. But the fact that it came out of nowhere for him, it came out of nowhere for me. There was something that we could pinpoint and we figured out for both of us that worked, and so it just makes me think how many more people could we help that it's just because they're eating terrible food and I get? I get a lot of flack online, you know, and if you post this, you're going to get a lot of comments. People get nasty and they're like you don't know what you're talking about, you know you're not a doctor. you don't have a medical degree. I'm like you're right. I actually say that openly. I don't have a medical degree, but I have a personal experience where that was really scary and Gary helped me fix it. And that's what we're trying to do at 10x Health is help people in you know, as many people as we can.

Yeah, I feel like health. When it comes to health, everyone talks about like politics and all that stuff, but like health is one of those niches and it's like you'll get chewed alive in health, like no matter how you know you could be, have like 12 degrees in health and you will still get chewed alive Because one person tried it and it didn't work out for them and for whatever reason, their common section is their therapy and they just unleash whatever they experience in the comic section. It's insane. I follow a couple of people for health as well.

I've been called so many names. Gary gets. You know he gets beat up so much because he's not a doctor. I mean it's people get nasty and I'm like he helped Dana White, which I don't know if you've seen that story Dana White yeah. Yeah. So he feels amazing and people will be like they scammed you and he goes yeah, I got scammed out of 50 pounds and diabetes, like literally. It makes me laugh because he'll go on to Gary's social media and attack people on his social media and he's like he's like fine, if you don't want to, if you think it's bullshit, then keep going to your regular doctor, keep taking all those medications. He's like I don't care what you do. You know people think of course, oh, we must be paying him to say all of that. And we're not. He pays full price and he's our biggest refer because he feels and looks so incredible, so you can do it. You got to dedicate. I mean we can't just give you vitamins and say everything's going to be fine. I mean there's got to be diet and exercise involved too. You know it's trifecta. But when people decide to flip the switch and make and dedicate it and put their health first, I mean it's incredible what can happen. And it doesn't matter what people say on social media.

Yeah.

You know, we're always going to have, you're always going to have haters, no matter what you say. So 100%.

It reminds me of there's one time. So for me, I eat pretty healthy. I don't actually like really watch what I eat, I just eat pretty healthy and eat my grandma cook. She cooks lunch almost every day and then from there I don't ever really eat snacks or drinks or anything like that or juice. So I eat pretty good. And one I remember in college, my freshman year, just before the pandemic like took over the world. I remember I was talking to a nutritionist major and she was trying to tell me how you're not supposed to intermittent fast. But they eat six small meals at each given point throughout the day and yada, yada, yada and how, like, intermittent fasting you're not supposed to do. And it's like, how are you going to tell me how, what I'm supposed to do for my body? And I feel amazing. I was in, I want to say, the best shape, but I was getting. I was pretty up there in my best shape. I feel like my best shape was like this past year. I've really been like my best shape, but I was in great shape at the time. And it's like because you read a textbook one time in your class and maybe got like a A, you think that you understand the, I feel like health is just there's too many things going on and I kind of wanted to, before we continue, kind of summarize everything you talked about so far so I can kind of make sense of it all. So you mentioned how, like our bodies, right, are like similar to cars, right, you can't just insert the few, like the food, into us and expect their body to like absorb it. We have to eat it and then break it down. That's what gets absorbed. And now some of us, depending on what our you know, our genetic makeup is, some of us don't have the right, I guess, makeup, I guess to absorb certain things and that can lead to it getting kind of built up and leading to a whole bunch of things like you mentioned, like anxiety, suicidal thoughts, diabetes, all this other stuff. Correct, on the right track a little bit, okay, and then you totally are. From there I want to talk about, like the enriched and fortified. It sounds like the word choice makes it sound like it's a really good thing. Is there anything else that like for me? I know when it comes to hair products, I know what to look out for. When it comes to food, I know high fructose corn syrup is one that I tried to avoid at all costs. I actually, after you guys spoke at Ken Johnson's event, I had a biotin gummy that I used to take and I looked at the ingredients list and I used to. I've been taking it for a while and I think the second ingredient on the thing was high fructose corn syrup and I'm throwing this out. Like as soon as I came back from the conference, I checked, like my little, because that's the only supplement I take, and I was like, yeah, no, this is gone, this is out the door, threw it out, never took it, ever again, and that is the end of that little biotin history. But, like, is there anything else that we should look out for that are just common rules of thumb, because I feel like it's easier to eliminate certain things than it is to go start buying a bunch of organic foods Just because organic foods is a little expensive. So like what are some things we should try to avoid at all costs if we can't get to like a fully organic diet?

Yeah, totally agree. So another big one that I tell, that I warn people about, is called cyanocobalamin. It's a cyanide-based B12. So and it's in everything. It's in, you know, all the energy, the majority of energy drinks, so think Monster Celsius, five hour energy, red Bull, and then it's in, but it's in things like emergency packets or liquid IV. It's in children's, you know, like Flintstone vitamins. It's in the majority of all multivitamins, like Centrum and all the main ones that you see lining the shelves of CVS and Walgreens. And it's because it's a man-made version of B12. And again, some people can process it just fine and they don't have any issues with it. But there's a large percentage of the population that cannot process it and it leads to issues like gut issues. So if you have it, can you know upper and lower gut issues it leads, you know. The funny part is that people come to us and they're like, oh yeah, I've got gas, diarrhea, constipation, bloating, acid reflux, heartburn, and they'll be like God, I'm constantly reaching for Pepto-Abysmal or Tums or, you know, pepsid-ac, and the crazy part is that those medications actually deplete your level of B12. But guess what helps correct the balance in your gut vitamin B12, but only if you can process the type of B12. So there's four kinds of B12. Three are found naturally in nature and then one is man-made. So the man-made one is cheap, it's easy to produce, it's easy to add to, you know, inexpensively to a vitamin or a product. The crazy thing is that you can't even really I can't even tell you like, oh, just go organic, because a lot of organic products have cyanocavalent still. A friend of mine was sending me labels of their kids formula and these little snack things that they eat, these little coffee snack things. And I'm looking at the ingredients and the ingredients list is beautiful. It's organic carrots and peas and all the organic things. It was spot on. They're paying extra for it and whatnot. And then at the end of the list it says Cyanic Availament is B12. And I was like, listen, I'm not going to tell you, don't buy this anymore because there's probably not another better option out there. It's 20% of their daily B12. So I wouldn't give it three times a day. Maybe one serving is fine. But it's disappointing that the manufacturer doesn't understand that not every child can process Cyanic Availament. Their formula good God. The formula was worse. The formula again. It's the highest end formula on the market. It's organic and it's got all the right type of ingredients until you read part of the label and it's got not only Cyanic Availament and folic acid which would spin somebody like me out but then the seed oils. There's literally. There was canola oil, vegetable oil, palm oil, saffron oil and sunflower seed oil, and then it had a little bit of coconut oil and I was like why not just make the whole thing coconut oil Like coconut oil, avocado oil, olive oil those are great oils, but the rest of them are terrible and will totally tear up that child's gut. And then they wonder why their kid is having all these problems with going to the bathroom. So it's sad that companies just don't understand methylation, they don't understand these ingredient issues. But then part of me wonders if they totally understand it and they realize that it leads to you buying medications, because if you're taking in the wrong type of food then you're going to need a medication to solve those issues. So that's why anti-anxiety medications and antidepressants and Adderall and Vi-Vans for ADD and ADHD they make a lot of money off those. They don't necessarily want that to go away, so for okay. So yeah, hopefully that kind of answered your question. It does perfectly. I got long-ended on that one.

No way. So you actually explained it perfectly. So now I want to get into like a little bit of the more complex stuff. So you mentioned one of the genes, the MTH something, something, something. So how many genes? I mean it's easier to like with the illustration that you had on the presentation. But I guess to the best of your ability, since most of these people will be listening audio only, okay, is there a way that you could explain like the genes and stuff like that, and like they're turning on and off without like a picture?

Yes, absolutely so. We have five gene genetic markers that we pull. There's a ton more that are related to methylation, but these five specific genes are what we call actionable genes, and so by actionable genes I mean that, like you said earlier, you can turn them on and off by adding in the right or wrong raw materials through diet or supplementation. So you start at the bottom. There are five genes and you start at the bottom. It's like a sandback task. So when we pull this gene panel on people, it shows us three different colors red, yellow and green. So all five of them are supposed to be green and operating at 100%. When they're yellow, it means that one parent has passed on the genetic mutation and it's operating at best about 40%. And when it's red it means both parents have passed it on and that gene just isn't functioning at all. And the way to make those yellows and reds green every day and I say every day because people are always like oh, if I just take the vitamins for a month, am I good to go? Will I be solved? And I'm like no, you're going to metabolize through that diet or whatever food you're eating or vitamins you're taking. It's going through your system in 24 hours. So every day you have to take your vitamins and have the right diet, otherwise you could screw it up. But you can turn those reds and yellows to green so we can correct the methylation cycle every day by knowing what raw materials we're missing. So it starts at MTHFR. Now it's the worst one to have because it's both mind and gut related, but it's the easiest one to fix because it's at the beginning of the chain. So if we can fix that guy and add in five methylfolate so that we can start the conversion process right from the beginning, then we're going to help the chain on the way up. The next one up in the line is called MTR and that's typically a lower gut symptom. So when I see that activated in somebody I know they're suffering Again. You can have. The funny thing is you can have constipation one day and then have diarrhea the next and people are like why is it like that their gut motility is not working correctly. So here's a funny story. I think I told this one on stage about the woman that came up to me at a wedding. She's like a 50 year old woman and she comes up to me and gives me this big hug and she's crying and she's like I am pooping every day and I laughed so hard because I'm like I love this stuff and we're in this whole conversation in front of the bartender about how she poops every day now. But the thing is, as funny as that might sound to the majority of us whose gut function is fine, she was not having bowel movements, maybe once a week, if she was lucky. Sometimes it was once every two weeks, and that's so unhealthy. But she's gone her entire life, like even since she was a baby, having those issues. So just by adding in the right raw materials, which for gut function is usually magnesium, zinc and the right form of B12. And just by adding those simple raw materials in, you correct the methylation, you correct the gut motility and things clear up. So then the next one up is MTRR, and MTRR is usually upper gut issues like acid reflux and heartburn, and then it can also lead to thyroid problems in the family, high blood pressure issues in the family. A lot of times we get people that will go to the doctor. They've got high blood pressure. Doctors can't figure it out, so they run all these different tests on them. All of the tests come back normal and they're like well, we're going to call it idiopathic hypertension, which really just means high blood pressure hypertension of an unknown origin, idiopathic means. We have no idea why, and the reality is that they could be the healthiest person. But when we run the gene test they've got that genetic break and this is why their methylation is not working and it is why they're having high blood pressure issues. As soon as we put them on the right supplements, everything opens up and then they don't have the issues anymore. That one can also. That's our little snappy temper gene. So when it's yellow I can be like, okay, you're snappy, you can be calm, calm, calm. And then you just like zero to 100, like that, and but when it's red I'm like, oh, you're nasty. That's the gene break which sometimes surprises me and people. I've met a lot of people that seem to be so calm and they're like chill, and I see that red MTRR and I'm like, oh, you're hiding something like behind closed doors, you're nasty. And I'm usually right. And because I share my own stories, people will open up to me. But that's where I find that a lot of people have to depend on prayer and meditation or yoga or some sort of form of like calming themselves down. Maybe they're smoking you know smoke weed to chill themselves out, but because they don't know how to manage their that temper, that anger that, just you know, comes out of nowhere. The next one up in the chain is called AHCY. It's very rare, but when we see that one it typically indicates that someone has an addiction problem. And maybe it's not drugs or alcohol. It could be a work addiction or a working out addiction. And usually as people go through life with their addictions, maybe as kids they're, you know, addicted to playing video games or maybe smoking cigarettes, but then they'll shift from the bad addictions to good addictions. But either way, they're always suffering with just constantly having like thinking about something every day. They wake up. So when we correct that genetic break, I had a guy who had gone to rehab nine times and I said if you don't have this break, I will pay for your test. And he did the test and he came to me a few months later and he like cried to me too because he was like I literally don't have that feeling when I wake up in the morning and it's just from putting them back at balance. I mean, that's all this is. It's just putting everyone back into balance. And then the top gene mutation. The fifth one is called COMPT COMT and that one is usually our type A perfectionists. They hold themselves to a very high standard. It's usually our entrepreneurs. They hold themselves to a very high standard, but then the problem is that then they expect other people to be held to that same standard, and then they're super disappointed in people that don't meet those standards. So it's hard to work with them. That's why they're entrepreneurs. They don't take, they're not good at being micromanaged. They don't like to be told what to do. So you're smiling, because that might be you.

Everything assigned might be perfectionist. I feel like I'm not a perfectionist, but everything else you hit it right on the head. Everything like it's like, I cannot I do not like being caged in.

It's hard to you get racing thoughts too. So as your environment quiet, your mind wakes up. So that's where the poor sleep factor comes into play, where you could be just completely exhausted and your head hits the pillow and your mind wakes you up, and then you start worrying about stuff you shouldn't really worry about because there's nothing you can do to solve it. At midnight Sometimes I always tell people you know, like do you have a little notepad by the side of your bed? You're like, think, if you just write it down it's out of your head so you can go back to sleep. And they're like oh my God, I have lists upon lists, upon lists. It's very much you know can be ADD, adhd, because there's just so it's attention overload disorder, it's. It's really just that they can't pay attention to so many things. And so it gets tricky with a comp T break, because, and especially if they have a comp T break and an MTHF R break, because, remember, the comp T is mostly has to do with the mind, but MTHR far has to do with the mind and the gut. That's why it's the worst one. So then when you have two mind things activated, that's where people really don't sleep. They wake up in the middle of the night they might be like oh, I wake up with, you know, sunrise because I'm ready to start my day. That's not really it. They're waking up at 4 am and just they can't get back to sleep. So they just wake up and think that that's when they're supposed to start their day. That's not really normal. So you should be able to sleep all the way through the night. So, but yeah, so there's. It's wild when I do a lab review with someone and and People think I'm a psychic because I can tell them examples and stories that nobody else knows about them. Nobody talks about their gut issues. So if I can nail that, if I can nail the, the racing thoughts and you know, and the, the hormone, and it causes hormone imbalances so they might have brain fog. You know, I can have a young person in their 20s who really shouldn't have any kind of hormone problems Experience hormone like issues because their methylation is so off. So I love this whole Thing that we do. The genetic piece is so cool to me Because I can really tell someone about themselves so they know that I'm not just making it up and Then tell them how to correct and solve it.

This reminds me kind of like a like attachment styles. Like I remember when I first started learning about like attachment styles of psychology and then I was like able to start like I felt like a mind reader. I was like, oh, you went through something in your younger and was like now, like while you were talking like and you started talking about like you know, you know gut issues and stuff like that, like not to share her business or whatever. But I guess I can't. That's my little sister, but she has, like like this lady you said on there with the poor bowel movement, as like she's been going through that. So it's like, okay, she now I'm trying to put two and two together while you're talking to me it's like, alright, she probably has like a gene that's not turned on right now. Does that is or isn't working optimally? That's causing her to do that and it just started to connect. So let me summarize what you just said, because you're gonna. You talked about five different ones. So pretty much there's five different actionable like genes that you guys track with your blood work and, depending on how your parents pass them down, they're either working great right, they're working suboptimally, or they're just not working at all. They're not turned on at all, and if we eat the right things day in, day out, we can turn it on or turn them off, depending on what we eat with their it's food or supplements. Right, okay, I'm just gonna get it from the most part.

No, you're getting it perfect and it's great too because we can see it in the blood work, so it all matches. It really does match up with the blood work, and so you can prove to someone that. Okay, let's say, when we pull their blood, let's say they don't do a gene test because they're not ready to buy both at the same time, that's totally fine. So if we pull your blood work and your Thyroid is off, your hormone about, your hormones are not balanced, and then your homocysteine is Elevated, then we can say, listen, you're having these, are it? You know, very similar to Genetic issues, and if we run the gene test on you and then we can help supplement the right way and and put together a Formula for you and it makes such a difference and and then we can solve so many things. So you know, the whole idea I always tell people is what? What exactly is our goal here? It's to get it back into balance, to take what's too high, bring it down low, what's too low, bring it up high, and really just correct all these issues so that you do sleep well and you have energy and you don't have a crash at 2 pm. You know, back to when you were talking about diets and, like, everybody has a fad diet and people are always asking me what diet are you on? Okay, my, I don't diet, I just don't eat like a jerk. Okay, try to. You know, balance things. I've cut out sugar. I, you know I don't really crave sugar. I used to crave salt but I've kind of like avoided that too because the seed oil thing started to freak me out. I didn't want to eat all these potato chips with seed oils. They don't make you feel good. So, like salads, I like grilled chicken, I like fish. You know, I try to eat as healthy as I can and stay away from, like you said, the the stuff like sodas and I don't. I didn't grow up on soda, but one of the big things is that when someone does come to us and we do have to put them on a diet and they really do need specific direction we put them on a diet specific to their blood work. So, not every not fasting is not for everybody. Keto diet is not for everybody. In fact, it can really screw you up More if you just start like, oh, my friend started doing a keto diet, she lost all this weight. Oh, I'm gonna try doing it. Well, it may not match up to what your body needs, and then you're just. You know you're gonna screw yourself up. You're also gonna put yourself through torture for no reason. So we will tell you know. A lot of times people will say, oh well, so, and so told me the fasting. I should be fasting from you know, eight to eight or whatever. That may not work out for you. So we tried to tell them what to do based on their blood work. So it really is. We really do try to make it you know, super detailed, very specific. I think that's what sets us apart from you know, going to your standard doctor and getting lab schooled is, you know, your doctor's only able to spend like five minutes with you and then ultimately they're not gonna tell you Diet and vitamin recommendations because they're not making money off of that. They got to recommend some sort of prescription to you to make any money. So we really go through it with you. We, you know, spend an hour with a patient and really dive in and explain here's what you're doing right, here's what you're doing wrong, here's how we can correct that and then put a specific protocol together.

Yeah, no, 100% what they're. One of the main thing I noticed personally like you guys are so like down earth and Like I follow you guys on IG now. So I was seeing Gary and he's like doing back flips at the airport and say this guy I was dancing there's doing something. I say it's like a ball of life. And so I'm say I'm so glad I had you on the show, I'm glad that I was able to talk to you a little bit more like a one-on-one setting, so kind of break down all this and make it a Easier to grasp, because at the conference I was like great presentation, if you actually what you said.

Afterwards I was like yeah, why were the good yin and yang of each other? He, like I said earlier, he really Explains the science behind things, so you know that he's not just make it up. I mean, you can go and research anything that he says and you'll find that he's spot on. But I helped try to just Break it down in English and I can't cover all the things I can't. I can't read your blood labs to you. I'll never pretend like I can yeah, but my staff isn't credible at it, but I really can't go through the genetics like I, you know, like nobody's business. Did you end up getting the gene test done?

I didn't, so I'm going to. I just been so busy and everything but I.

Get it done and then, we'll do. We could do the lab review. I don't know if you'd be willing to do it on air, but we could do your lab review together and Show people like how it works and how it breaks down. It's really cool.

Yeah, cuz like for me, like I've I Started getting into, I guess how I said I always been in pretty good shape. I've been an athlete, I was I said I'd never, really ever, ate bad. I never ate like fast food, partially because we have money growing up for fast food. So it's like we did that also helps with eating a healthier lifestyle. Just, we never had. Yeah, and so my senior year, high school, I wanted to get abs. It was like my last month or I was like my prom was coming up and I didn't want to get abs for prom and something like I was gonna go to prom shirtless or anything. But I was. I just for me. The way my brain works, I have to attach dates Like to stuff, to goals. I was like, all right, I want to get abs. What's the next big date that I have coming up prom? All right, I'm gonna abs before prom. That has nothing to do with prom at all and that's when I started looking at intermittent fasting. That's when I started getting into like health and nutrition and that kind of, as I said, being a high school student. You're just extremely malnourished because you never get to eat school lunch, because it's school lunch is nasty, and then then you have sports and then you have to practice and then so you're not really eating there, and then you have to go home and it's already. You had a whole 12 hour shift. School starts at six, you come back at six and now you finally get your first actual meal a day. And that's when I said I get like a little more into nutrition stuff. But, um, yeah, I'm definitely going to, and I For me, I really want my girlfriend to go through it because she has a lot. I'm pretty like normal when it comes to health. I go to the get my physical and it's like do you do this? No, any medications. No, any allergies, no. And it's like no, this is across the board, because I'm just super boring, um, yeah, but yeah, I definitely want to add no for a fact she needs to. Yeah right, I think she.

Everybody knows somebody that's suffering with something that I just some symptoms I just brought up. Yeah, the amount of people that are all green, meaning they have no issues and it's wild. When you meet somebody like that, they're so chill and then their labs match too and I'm like you're gonna live to 120 Like they're so healthy, not even to be, but it's just they have perfect genetics. I have only seen maybe 10 people in like and and again. Most people don't get the test done unless they feel like they need it. They relate to some of those symptoms, but then you have people that they relate to every symptom and they're lit up like a Christmas tree and yeah those people. It breaks my heart when I see, you know, really severe breaks because they're just suffering and nobody understands why. And then people tell them to just calm down and just breathe through it and just, you know, meditate and do yoga and say your prayers at night. And I'm like, yeah, okay, those are great ways to like put a band-aid on it and I and I don't discount any of that, but we got to fix what's the root problem. Yeah, it's got it. Yeah, and it's coming from inside. Let's fix the inside root problem. Yeah, I have a friend. It got PTSD from, you know, going to war he was in five tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's a badass. But he came home with a lot of stuff going on and he got on our program and he says it literally he was on so many medications and he's gotten off all of them and he's just on our vitamin protocol and he says he feels better than he's ever felt. So there's a lot to it. There's a lot of stuff that we can correct and I just love what we do. I get excited about talking about it.

Yeah, it's same. It's so interesting and I was gonna say something about Um, oh, my goodness, I lost my train at that. I was gonna bring something up, oh. That's what I know no way. I remember you're talking back in high school. No, back in high school I used to say that I was genetically superior jokingly, but I always believed it to be true. I told myself that I'm genetically elite so many times that I genuinely believe that I am now. So I'm definitely Hope that the test matches up. So I wasn't lying all those years. But, uh, sage, where could we find you? Where could we connect with you and learn more about what you guys have going on over at 10x? Oh, I said I'm super glad that our world's connected and cross because there's. As soon as you guys spoke I was like, yeah, I gotta get you on. You just figure this stuff out, because health to me is like. I Refuse to let myself go ever. I just want to be in the best shape for life.

Good, and then, when you're doing that, you're encouraging other people around you to do it too, and that's like if everybody was on that same train you know it would be incredible and the world would be a happier, better and healthier place. But you can find me it on Instagram. I'm not. I'm not great at all the social media platforms. I'm pretty good at Instagram it's at sage working her. So SAG, ew, ork, ing, er, and then on there I have a link that kind of leads to other podcasts I've done a lot of stuff, information about 10x health, and then there's a link to the gene test as well. If you're interested in gene or blood, I think the gene link is WWW, your 10x test com. So your why are you are 10x test com, so it's a great they'll. They mail it right to you. It's a cheek swab, super easy. You can literally cheek swab yourself at home. You mail it back in the prepaid FedEx envelope to the lab, get the results in a couple of weeks and then we send a whole full report that gives all the breakdown. It's got, you know, explanations in any in English, just so it really helps break down the symptoms and and the issues and the protocol that fixes it. And then there's great videos of Gary Really explain the science of it, so people can go a little dive a little deeper on it. So it's an excellent report. And then you can also, if you want to dive deeper and talk with one of our providers. You can also do a call with one of them as well amazing.

So now I know I hold. I held you up a little bit over, so I'm gonna try to make this as lightning as possible. Our famous five questions. So question number one what is the most impactful lesson you've learned in life?

Oh, boy I should have researched these questions. Well, when you turn 45, you realize there's a lot. Honestly, I can't help but this, this whole Lesson that I've learned through going through. You know again, my own personal mental breakdown, which, again, I'm very. Most people would never open up or talk about that because it's so Sensitive. People don't like to admit their weaknesses, especially the world that I feel like I'm in with. You know entrepreneurs and very successful business people, but I can't tell you how much this, you know, getting my hormones and my genetics in balance, helped save me and, and, and I feel like I've been able to make. Not only did I have a great impact on me, but I've been able to have a great impact on other people and helping them, and so I'd say that that's, that's one of the big ones right now.

Amazing, um, what is the most admirable trait a person can have?

Kindness, being kind no matter what somebody's situation is, and just being aware that we're not all in the same boat. We are and we don't have not everybody's happy every day and and some people have, you know, struggles that they're dealing with, that again, that they're not open about. And if everybody was just a little bit more Kind and patient, I think the world would be a better place.

If you had to change someone's life with one book, which book would you recommend?

I, you know, honestly, the one that I really loved Was rocket fuel. It really saved Gary and I's relationship and and it's not just for people that work together. I really do feel like it's for people that are or not. Even it was great for someone where you've got, you know, two people that are in love and trying to run a business together, because One of the biggest things that we learned is that, as a couple Starting a business together, if you have a bad day at the office, you're having a bad day at home, but if you're having a good day at the office, you have a great day at home. And and it's Rocket fuel really was about, you know, finding your visionary and your integrator and how well you can work together. But I really think it wasn't just in yes, it was written more so for business owners, but it was such a great book even for couples in a relationship that aren't working together, because, especially if you tend to butt heads with your significant other because you're just good again, black and white, yin and yang, not you know the opposite, think oppositely, but you're in love. It's like the opposite attract thing. Read that book. It was really good at kind of breaking it down and helping us understand each other.

What is the legacy that you're trying to leave behind?

It's wild that I don't think I ever had any kind of big hopes or dreams. Gary definitely did. He's always been sort of on a path to like how can I save the world and be superman? I never really was that way. I'm just. I'm more quiet, I'm in the background, I don't need to stand out but my. God, I really am loving the outcomes that we've had from this whole methylation thing and helping people, and so it was a big goal of ours when we sold our original companies, streamed my medical group and formed 10x Health and tried to become bigger. Because how could I get this message out to the world? How could we help and save more people? You know, anytime I hear about somebody having miscarriages, I didn't even talk about that part of it. Somebody in the news the other day she's had her ninth miscarriage. She's finally being open about it. She's talking about it and I immediately called one of our patients that I thought maybe might know her and could make an introduction, because I was like we could help her. A lot of this has to do with methylation. She's probably taking folic acid. She shouldn't be taking folic acid Like so many of these little things that, if you could correct, we have what we used to call streamlined medical babies, because we had another patient who had nine miscarriages and then had a little boy and they call them their streamlined miracle baby. It really there's a lot of things that we can help with Anxiety and depression and ADD and ADHD. Stop putting your kids on medication. They don't need it. Just don't send them off to school with pop tarts and cereal crappy cereal in their system and they won't go to school and not be focused and fall asleep in the afternoon or act out and end up in the principal's office. There's whatever we put in our mouths. That's my main message. Whatever you put in your mouth, notice and pay attention to how it affects your mind and your gut. We all think about how we get a stomach ache from our food that we eat, but nobody is thinking about how it affects your mental state. If you're eating the wrong food, so pay attention to it. So the more that I can get that message out without people thinking I'm crazy.

I'm better.

So that would be my impact, hopefully.

And the final question for anyone that wants to embark on their walk to wealth today, what is the first step you recommend they take?

Got to get healthy. What is the point of being wealthy if you can't enjoy it, if you're sick and tired all the time? I talk to people all the time that have all the money in the world and they're like I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. So the first thing you can do how are you supposed to go out and motivate people and sell and be productive if you can't focus and you're exhausted and you're not sleeping at night and you crash in the middle of the afternoon and you just feel like crap? You can't go to work and motivate anybody if you feel like crap. So first step is get your health in order and the wealth will come naturally you.